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here is our interview with sally pipes

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when we talk

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covet and kind of go back to the

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beginning i've always

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had this theory that we were not

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for it and we therefore panicked and

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overreacted

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and that when the books are ultimately

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written about this pandemic

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that's going to be uh the analysis you

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know we're still years away i think from

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really having

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to have the hindsight to really know

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what we did right and what we did wrong

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but it does seem to me

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this is a 911 type situation where we

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weren't prepared for a terrorist attack

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like that and as a result we panicked

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and overreacted

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in many ways and i i compare covid to

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that in the same way do you

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broadly agree with that uh yes i do and

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it quickly became very political and of

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you know mr trump um was you know um

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in the hot seat and everything was his

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fault

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and um yeah we panicked i mean we should

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have been ready i mean if you go back to

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the sars um situation from several years

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canada under single-payer i mean there

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were so many deaths

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in canada from sars because they

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ambulances couldn't get into emergency

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rooms and things

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but you know we should have been better

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prepared but in fact in the in the long

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run i think

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you know dr fauci and rachelle wallinsky

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from the cdc

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really scared people and the mainstream

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this panic that fauci and willenski and

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a few others

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progressives were really really touting

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fortunately as you know i mean the the

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the pfizer and modern and a few other

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i mean they really went to town and

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bought you know a vaccine there and

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the fda you know moved more quickly than

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they ever have in their existence

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to get emergency use authorization and

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so america

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is in a very good place fortunately so

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you feel very good about what they've

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able to accomplish with the the vaccines

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that's something that you look at

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and think wow that that's an incredible

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uh success

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i do and i said i predicted about three

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that we would probably have a glut of

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vaccines by june and everybody's oh no

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this is going to be going on people

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in the fall they won't be still won't be

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vaccinated but sure enough that the

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market responded and

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when i go by drug stores here in

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la you know vaccines available i mean

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um that wanted a vaccine has been

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vaccinated and the interesting thing is

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that you're seeing in the media how

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people from canada who have such a

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catastrophe

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with the vaccines have been coming down

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to the us and staying

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for a month and getting vaccinated here

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for 14 days even though they're fully

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um effort and it's unfortunate though

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that as i say mr fauci

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um when you know they're just breathing

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their their own air so i think

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you know the whole lockdowns the social

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work you know we're seeing restaurant

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tours are having a hard time getting

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people to come back to work because

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they're making more money by not working

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unlock down was just impossible

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um but is that something that we need to

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be better prepared in the future

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so okay now we know let's have emergency

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way within which we need to be prepared

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government to fully take over the health

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care system and control

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and run run the hospitals because there

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won't be new hospitals we need

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the catholic church was barely used so

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hospitals i'm not sure there was ever

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annual mammogram or your five-year

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in the waiting rooms and things but

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very good thing we don't want

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that that was done that we'll look back

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the public officials went into a lot

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it's still the case that only one family

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today right and you know if you

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if you've been fully vaccinated and

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obsession

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of anything else uh what about some of

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the conspiracy theories

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do you buy into any of them i mean let's

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start with the vaccine you have so many

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people

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that are concerned that this was all a

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plan for the drug companies to make

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money on the vaccine or that this

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vaccine is going to

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somehow put something into people that

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are they're going to regret

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down the road do you bind any of the

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vaccine conspiracies

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no i don't i mean i think i think one of

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the things that you know people are

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saying well it was it was approved so

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quickly

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well the real problem is that other you

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know other

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drugs and biologics and cancer drugs

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should not be under the delay that they

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have been for years

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under the fda it shows that the fda

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could move quickly

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and they they did the clinical trials

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and they worked well so i think

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it's um you know a lot of people on the

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progressive left of course

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hate the drug companies but they moved

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very quickly and i think

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i don't believe in any of this

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conspiracy theories and i think a lot of

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people

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that are saying i'm not going to get

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vaccinated because it was approved too

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quickly

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or we're going to get some rare um other

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illness well i think people should think

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would you rather

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you know at the vaccine and be you know

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vaccinated against it or would you

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rather

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covet and perhaps end up on a ventilator

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in a in a hospital i mean people have to

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look at it that way and say

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what is the alternative to not getting

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vaccinated so and i think

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um you know the vaccination rate is much

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higher than it was being predicted

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you know back you know sort of in late

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december after the emergency use

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authorization

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but i think people need to look would

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you rather you know get vaccinated

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and you know for the most part you i had

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two two vaccinations that was totally

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fine after both the modern

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vaccine so i think you know there's a

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lot of hype i

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conspirators who are trying to scare

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people yeah yeah

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i mean you know look it's not nothing

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there there have been some elderly

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that have been reported to have died

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from the vaccine

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you know my mother got very sick off of

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the second shot but you know

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she recovered and so on so um you know i

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i think the hesitancy is is

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understandable but but you're not seeing

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any

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conspiracy there what what about bill

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gates i was reading some of the things

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you've written recently and you seem to

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be applauding gates on some of the

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things that he's done what

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what do you think about bill gates and

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his role in all this and the things that

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he's done

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on vaccines etc well i mean i think you

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know

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bill and melinda gates and their

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foundation you know they have a lot of

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money in that foundation and

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some of the things you know that they

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have been doing you know whether it's

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you know supporting he's being very

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supportive of the vaccine he's been very

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supportive of

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you know poor countries in africa

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getting vaccinated getting you know

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getting american doctors to go over and

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train

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doctors over there and whether it's you

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know diseases like ebola

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or or whether it's you know maternity

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deliveries

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i i think that he you know his heart is

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in the right place he's probably

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not a free marketeer totally but i think

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that you know on this issue

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of kovid he understands and

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is being very um supportive and has got

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the funding to

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um definitely you know help many more

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people vaccinated and even you know in

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in countries that don't have access to

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to

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the vaccine that need it whether it's

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india or whether it's south africa or

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or whatever and we don't want you know

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to take away

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the intellectual property protection

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that the wto

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is trying to do uh with the with the

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drug companies that produce

402
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these uh vaccines yeah let's talk a

403
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little bit about that in

404
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in the vaccines in in other countries so

405
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i haven't read a lot about this but i've

406
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been kind of hearing that

407
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europe has been slow to get the vaccine

408
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because the drug companies weren't

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willing to sell it to them at the price

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that they were

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dictating is that true well i mean i

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think

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let's look at europe and the eu you know

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britain

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look at how many people

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you know they've had a tremendous uh

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vaccination rate and and

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uh today uh uh prime minister boris

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johnson is opening up

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uh great britain uh they they left the

421
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eu and they got the astrazeneca vaccine

422
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and they got people vaccinated

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the eu um of course you know was very

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um very progressive they didn't want to

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pay the price the

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reduced price so they kept delaying and

427
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i think it was

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very harmful to the people of europe and

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you look at countries like italy france

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germany

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portugal spain they still have very high

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rates of covet a lot of

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deaths from covet because they were the

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the powers that be

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in the european community european union

436
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were just

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you know being stubborn and i think it

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was a at the at the

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expense of their their citizens health

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and what's the state of that uh as we

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speak have they negotiated a price now

442
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and are the vaccines flowing into the

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rest of europe

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so it's it and of course this is very

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very political as yes you know

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um they are now starting to get you know

447
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the the

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the astrazeneca the vaccine available

449
00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:03,120
um but you know it's a bit it's a bit

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late i mean as i say

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00:14:08,550 --> 00:14:07,360
you know me as americans can't travel to

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these countries and even

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00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,560
if i as i'm fully vaccinated if i wanted

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to take our annual vacation and go to

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italy

456
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,959
i wouldn't because what if i get there

457
00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:16,399
and then there's a further surge and i

458
00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:17,760
couldn't get back i mean

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so i think they're they're they're slow

460
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they're starting to

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00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:23,040
you know realize this but the whole

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00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:24,800
thing i think was very political they

463
00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,519
wanted to

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you know be separate from britain

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because they were annoyed that

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00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:31,199
left the european union but it got its

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people vaccinated

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00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:35,680
and has had very good results compared

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to

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as i say these countries italy france

471
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germany spain and portugal

472
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:43,279
just as yeah well i i hope the british

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put two and two together and realized

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00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:47,199
that uh this was a good thing that they

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left the eu

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if for no other reason but this i i was

477
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talking to a brit recently who kind of

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be i could tell that he was anti-brexit

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but but he had to begrudgingly

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acknowledge that this turned out to be

481
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a good thing i mean why you would want

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to be under yet another layer of

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government

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00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:08,000
uh if you're a brit i don't understand

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but

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i know obviously it was highly

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controversial and even even if you look

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at the

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local elections from a week ago i mean a

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lot of these labor seats all went

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conservative because i think people even

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who had always

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voted labor realized that they were in a

494
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good place they voted

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uh for the conservatives rather than the

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labor party which would have probably

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left england in the same situation as

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european countries

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yeah who knows maybe it could start

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something and and britain won't be the

501
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only one that uh

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that exits uh so so talking about those

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the

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a discussion about drug prices and so on

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so

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it's my perception that you know

507
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everybody complains about oh my gosh

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drugs are so expensive in america and

509
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they're less expensive in other places

510
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and that's because in these other

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countries they

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have negotiated a set price they refuse

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to pay anything more

514
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that for than a particular amount for

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their drug we're paying more

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i guess you could call free market

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prices and in that sense

518
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,519
we're kind of subsidizing the rest of

519
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the world

520
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through our higher prices and they're

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paying lower prices is that

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roughly correct well right the united

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states does not have price controls

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on its pharmaceuticals and these

525
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countries whether it's canada or england

526
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,680
france are all free riding

527
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off our research and development i think

528
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people don't realize it costs about 2.6

529
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:29,040
billion

530
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from an idea to get a drug through all

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00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:32,639
the clinical trials the fda

532
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,800
and get it to market so it's very

533
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expensive only about 12

534
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percent of drugs ever make it through

535
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:40,959
through this uh through this process so

536
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:43,600
countries as i say they're free riding

537
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:45,440
united states drug companies

538
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:48,320
sell drugs to these countries at a lower

539
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,279
price

540
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,800
it's interesting in canada where i'm

541
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from the

542
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:54,560
medicines crisis review board has to

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look at

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00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,199
the price of a drug and decide whether

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00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,079
or not it's the right price to offer it

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00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:03,600
um on the formularies in each of the

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00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,679
provinces in many cases the latest drugs

548
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:06,959
aren't even available

549
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:09,520
because this government body says it's

550
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:10,160
it's too

551
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,880
expensive but i think you know the under

552
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:14,480
the biden administration

553
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:16,880
kamala harris and joe biden and nancy

554
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,600
pelosi

555
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:20,160
they're all trying to bring about uh

556
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:21,280
price controls

557
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:23,520
on pharmaceuticals and biologics in this

558
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:24,720
country i know

559
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,520
under hr3 the house bill uh where

560
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:29,039
they're trying to

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00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:33,039
tie the prices of drugs to the places in

562
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,360
six most favored nation countries canada

563
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england france australia japan

564
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um and i think i just read the other day

565
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,520
that pelosi

566
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is having a hard time i mean this has

567
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:44,880
been a central core

568
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,520
of biden's agenda was price controls and

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00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,120
getting lower drug prices

570
00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:52,080
but some of the dems are saying now well

571
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,679
i don't know if this is such a good idea

572
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:55,440
we are the country where the innovation

573
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:56,559
takes place and that you've

574
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,280
looked at the polling the drug companies

575
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:00,400
are polling

576
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:03,360
very very well because people realize we

577
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:04,000
are the

578
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,760
the country that developed the vaccine

579
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,039
so i think

580
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,320
um we don't sorry but what you're saying

581
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,320
is what we're seeing happening in europe

582
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,640
with them trying to negotiate down the

583
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:16,080
price of this vaccine

584
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:17,919
and therefore not getting it that

585
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:19,520
quickly this is

586
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:21,360
an example of what happens all the time

587
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:22,720
in these countries that they don't get

588
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,840
the drugs

589
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:25,840
as quickly because they're trying to

590
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:27,520
negotiate down the price whereas the u.s

591
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:28,640
is getting them as soon as they're

592
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:30,080
released

593
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,679
and they may not even be available as i

594
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,919
say a lot of the drugs in canada

595
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,840
the government decides it's still too

596
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,360
expensive and then you've got states

597
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,880
like florida

598
00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:40,960
republican governor and colorado a

599
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,160
democratic governor

600
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,240
who you know have signed legislation

601
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,520
that would allow

602
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,400
importation of cheaper drugs from canada

603
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:50,240
canadian officials there's only 37

604
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,679
million people in the whole country

605
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,440
fewer than in the state of california

606
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,640
they're saying we don't have enough

607
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:56,480
drugs for our own people we cannot be

608
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,600
the drug store

609
00:19:00,870 --> 00:19:00,160
for you know well you know all these

610
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,880
people in

611
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,200
in these other states so yeah i mean

612
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:05,200
that's just stupid policy it seems to me

613
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,840
because

614
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:07,120
yes if you're gonna say we're gonna

615
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,720
import drugs from canada well the only

616
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:10,320
reason they're lower there is a price

617
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,280
fixed there

618
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:13,280
so you might as well just say we're

619
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:14,720
going to price fix here if that's what

620
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:15,600
you want to do

621
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:17,600
right and then the whole research and

622
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,280
development and innovation

623
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,840
sector which you know will be will be

624
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:23,520
beaten way down i mean there's a reason

625
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,240
why

626
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:26,400
um companies like glaxosmithkline which

627
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:27,760
is a british company

628
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:31,360
astrazeneca um a british company

629
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,799
all of these um companies they don't do

630
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,480
their r d in their home country they do

631
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:37,520
it in the u.s

632
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,160
because the market works and they know

633
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,760
there will be a lot of losses

634
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,240
but at least the incentive is there to

635
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,080
to do the research and development

636
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:48,559
and not in in their home countries so

637
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:49,840
explain to people

638
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,240
why i believe you think it's a bad thing

639
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:53,919
for medicare

640
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,240
and medicaid to be able to negotiate

641
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,000
drug prices because it certainly sounds

642
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,760
like a reasonable thing oh yeah of

643
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:01,760
course we should be able to negotiate

644
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,400
drug prices why is that a bad thing well

645
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,720
because this is what um pelosi and biden

646
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,120
and bernie sanders are all pushing for

647
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,880
the government to negotiate prices

648
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,320
between the government

649
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,840
and the drug companies and what it's

650
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,400
going to mean is if this happens

651
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,880
it's going to reduce the availability of

652
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,880
the newest and latest drugs

653
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:23,600
uh for for seniors who you know people

654
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,600
you know who are 65 and over

655
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,000
or people who are lower income and are

656
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:29,600
on medicaid the program for low-income

657
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,240
americans

658
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,240
these are the people that use drugs and

659
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:34,320
need drugs and if they have price

660
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,120
controls

661
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,760
on drugs as i say between the federal

662
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,880
government and the

663
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,480
and the drug companies these drugs will

664
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,320
not be available

665
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,799
and they also it will destroy the

666
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,679
incentive for

667
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,600
research and development and i think and

668
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:49,280
as i say a number of the democrats are

669
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,320
now realizing

670
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,400
this is not going to be a good idea and

671
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,679
i think it's going to be hard

672
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:56,640
for pelosi to get that house bill uh

673
00:21:02,549 --> 00:20:57,280
through

674
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,559
senate because the senate at 50 50.

675
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,840
and then you've got someone like joe

676
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,240
manchin kristen cinema from arizona who

677
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:07,600
probably wouldn't support it

678
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:10,240
but it'd be harmful to the very people

679
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,520
that need

680
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,760
drugs in order to allow them to stay out

681
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,640
of hospital

682
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,799
and live longer and healthier lives so

683
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,720
so help people understand though

684
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,799
if the government can't negotiate the

685
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,840
price then

686
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,440
who is setting the price are you is the

687
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,679
drug companies unilaterally simply

688
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,640
setting a price

689
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:29,360
and the government has to pay it well

690
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,320
the government

691
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,320
the drug companies negotiate with

692
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,000
insurers and and

693
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,320
and with with with the government but um

694
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,600
and then you know a drug

695
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,440
is under um intellectual property

696
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,520
protection patent protection

697
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:44,080
for x years and 12 years and then it

698
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,640
comes off

699
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,880
95 percent of the drugs consumed in this

700
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,400
country are generic drugs

701
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,600
which as you know are copies of the

702
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,440
original drug and they can be exact

703
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,120
copies and they're they're a lot they're

704
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,120
a lot deeper

705
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,400
let's stick with something that's an

706
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,120
it's a new drug it's patented

707
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,400
and now medicare

708
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:07,039
is gonna i don't know you tell me how

709
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,240
this works medicare

710
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,840
is going to decide whether it's gonna

711
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,600
make this available to medicare

712
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,480
patients and if so they're going to

713
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,159
decide what the price is how how does

714
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,520
that all work

715
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,120
well so of course there will be a whole

716
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,520
new layer of bureaucracy in order

717
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,360
to talk about right now right now how

718
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,960
does that now oh right now

719
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,919
so um there are things called um

720
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,760
pharmaceutical benefit managers

721
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,240
pbms and the pharmaceutical benefit

722
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,000
managers negotiate

723
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,799
uh with the with the government and the

724
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:37,520
the

725
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,039
will be so

726
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,960
this is a problem because a lot of the

727
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,360
lower prices that that are negotiated

728
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,480
um don't the the the cheaper price does

729
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,080
not go back to the patient

730
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,080
it goes back uh to the um to the um

731
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:56,880
to the insurer and so we really need to

732
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,440
get rid of

733
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,280
pharmaceutical benefit managers and get

734
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:00,880
the negotiation to go

735
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:04,240
between uh the insurer and the drug

736
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,960
companies

737
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,640
we don't need these these middlemen are

738
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,080
taking the profit

739
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:11,440
and not helping the consumer to get

740
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,039
the uh the reduced price of of a of a

741
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,720
of a drug and particularly a lot of

742
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,280
these new new drugs are orphan drugs are

743
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,640
very very expensive

744
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,720
but on the other hand i mean if you if

745
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:24,559
you um say if you take a drug

746
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,240
uh for hepatitis c um from um

747
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:30,799
gilead you know the cost is perhaps 80

748
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,360
000

749
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,679
a year but you could get rid of you

750
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,440
completely eliminate hepatitis c

751
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,480
if you need a new liver the cost is 500

752
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,520
000 and it's very hard to get a liver so

753
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,600
you know you have to look at balance so

754
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,440
you know what what about

755
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,960
you know what are the new drugs and what

756
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,960
is the cost of um

757
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,440
not being able to of having to go and

758
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:53,440
have an expensive surgery and maybe not

759
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,559
be able to get

760
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:57,120
you know a new liver so so bottom line

761
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,840
the the

762
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,240
the price that's ultimately set on any

763
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,840
new drug

764
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,880
is set by the drug company

765
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,600
after negotiating with the insurance

766
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,880
companies pretty much

767
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,600
well the drug company sets the price

768
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,039
that they're going to sell

769
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,080
that drug at and the pbm negotiates you

770
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:17,600
know on behalf of large

771
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,799
groups so yes exactly and then the

772
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,159
insurance companies are going to decide

773
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,279
whether or not we're going to cover it

774
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:24,640
or not

775
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,679
yes exactly and same with medicare

776
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,760
medicare decides whether or not they're

777
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:31,039
going to cover it or not

778
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,549
and as i say it's the people on medicare

779
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,760
and medicaid that are

780
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,080
the big users of drugs but you know so

781
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:43,919
in so many cases we need

782
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,240
we need to promote generic drugs because

783
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:48,000
they are very cheap once the drug comes

784
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,679
off patent but for the new drugs yes

785
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,600
and the drug companies have a lot of

786
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,200
programs out there

787
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,360
that you know provide will provide the

788
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,960
drug you know

789
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:59,360
at a at a greatly reduced or even for

790
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,080
free

791
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,799
um you just have to be able to you know

792
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,520
figure out what

793
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,880
the plans are but a lot of these drug

794
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,640
companies have programs that make it

795
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,640
possible for people who don't have

796
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,720
you know the income of the bill gates or

797
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,240
warren buffett to get

798
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,679
access to these new treatments so

799
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,120
let's now talk about health care in

800
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,880
america and go high level

801
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,039
i mean it's a it's a freaking mess i

802
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,279
mean it's just

803
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:25,039
such an amalgam of so many things

804
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,720
between the insurance companies and

805
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:28,720
and the government and and state

806
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,000
controls and federal controls and so on

807
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,520
um it's not a free market in america

808
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:38,000
most people recognize that it's our free

809
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,360
market principles

810
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,880
that made america's economy so great yet

811
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,200
those free market principles have been

812
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,880
stripped out of health care

813
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:49,520
it seems to me and helped kind of create

814
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,480
this mess

815
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:53,039
so i'll just kind of comment on that and

816
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,520
see

817
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:56,000
how we can get to a high level solution

818
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,200
to this

819
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,840
right so um competition and choice in

820
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,320
all aspects of american life are the way

821
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,720
the way to go and get you know the best

822
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,480
coverage or whatever unfortunately

823
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,559
50 of health care in this country is

824
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,760
already in the hands of government

825
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,880
whether it's through

826
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,720
medicare for our seniors the medicaid

827
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,720
program for low-income americans

828
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,480
the chip program for children and of

829
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,159
course the veterans administration

830
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,159
which is a single-payer health care

831
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,440
system which is not

832
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,440
i wish people wouldn't you know pay

833
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,799
attention to the stories

834
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,960
about how our vets you know could not

835
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,320
get access to the

836
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,240
best doctors and hospitals and things

837
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,760
because the government

838
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,840
doesn't make it you know easy for them

839
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,120
there's been a lot of

840
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,120
of yes long waiting times and everything

841
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,200
so we want to open up

842
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:42,480
the system to more competition

843
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,440
unfortunately

844
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,600
under the biden administration under joe

845
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,000
biden bernie sanders kamala harris

846
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,600
all of these people are supporters of a

847
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,200
complete government takeover

848
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:53,120
of the health care system and people

849
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,240
don't realize

850
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,400
what it means for example in canada

851
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,919
there's no private health care for

852
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,200
anything considered

853
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,080
medically necessary the average weight

854
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,679
from seeing a primary care doctor to

855
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,640
treatment by a specialist last year

856
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,640
22.6 weeks that's over five months

857
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,799
the american people wouldn't stand for

858
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,400
this and the fact

859
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:14,320
that you know biden when he was

860
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,440
campaigning against

861
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,279
bernie sanders said well i don't support

862
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,880
medicare for all i support building on

863
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,080
obamacare a public

864
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,919
option a government insurance plan to

865
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,520
compete against private insurers

866
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,919
that's just a stepping stone approach to

867
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,880
single-payer

868
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,960
and um it'd just be a more a slower

869
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,919
approach than

870
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,640
sanders wants or the uh the house side

871
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,320
pramila jayapal

872
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,679
demi england aoc so we need

873
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,520
we need to put doctors and patients in

874
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,679
charge instead instead of the government

875
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,039
we need to support

876
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,440
ideas you know like help promoting

877
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,799
health savings accounts health

878
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,399
reimbursement accounts which

879
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,960
uh donald trump allowed to happen this

880
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,880
the short-term limited duration plans

881
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,760
that biden

882
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,360
and his team want to get rid of those

883
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,840
plans short-term limited duration plans

884
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:58,640
which were

885
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,919
reduced under obamacare to um to just

886
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,840
six months they're now available for 12

887
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,360
months renewable for

888
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,520
three years so young people not for

889
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,960
everybody but

890
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,559
young people like us we might want to

891
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,000
buy a plan that doesn't have to have 10

892
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,679
essential health benefits and mandates

893
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,799
and regulations

894
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,799
and spend you know less than a hundred

895
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:18,320
dollars a month on a plan we're probably

896
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,960
not

897
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,679
you know going to get sick or need be

898
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:23,520
that or association health plans all of

899
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,320
these things

900
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,480
are things that will open up the market

901
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,240
and you know a member under obamacare

902
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,399
which turned 11 on march 23rd

903
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,399
there are 10 essential health benefits

904
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:34,080
that have to be included in insurance

905
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,559
plan

906
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,360
and so they add you know 20 to 50 to the

907
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,559
cost of premium

908
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:41,440
so the more you let government in the

909
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,000
more

910
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,039
it's going to destroy um what we have

911
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,399
now but we need to

912
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,559
you know as i say open up telehealth you

913
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,159
know it took the pandemic

914
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,279
you know to be to be there in order to

915
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,640
open up telehealth which i've been

916
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,399
promoting for years so doctors

917
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,640
and patients can talk you know online

918
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,000
for people who are in rural communities

919
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,679
who don't have access perhaps to

920
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,240
doctors or transportation telehealth is

921
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,440
now going to be

922
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,760
part of of our regular health care

923
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,960
system we need

924
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:11,679
you know and also nurse practitioners

925
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:12,080
and

926
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,799
physician assistants they've been able

927
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,559
to do a lot more under the pandemic and

928
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,840
they should have been able to do more

929
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,919
yeah talk about something something like

930
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,000
telehealth which

931
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,720
is taking advantage of modern technology

932
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,000
uh to create more

933
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:31,279
efficiency right and right why

934
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,960
why was that not used before is it

935
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,039
because the insurance companies

936
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,080
were not wouldn't cover a telehealth

937
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,240
visit is that why they weren't using

938
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,000
telehealth before

939
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,919
right exactly so they weren't and also i

940
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,039
think a lot of dots

941
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,960
older dots you know were kind of worried

942
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,480
about it and thought it was

943
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,240
you know they would probably earn less

944
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,000
money if the patient wasn't coming

945
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,080
into the into their office but as you

946
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,440
know you know if you're

947
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,880
if you go into a doctor's office

948
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,480
particularly with covid um

949
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,679
you were worried about being in the

950
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,600
waiting room and picking up you know

951
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,279
it or some other right illness so i

952
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,720
think there was a lot of

953
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,200
so it's very important though if what i

954
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,720
i'm identifying here or you're

955
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,240
identifying which is that

956
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,200
insurance companies are keeping these

957
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:17,440
type of innovative ideas government also

958
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,760
but

959
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,120
insurance companies too and these

960
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,960
innovative ideas from coming forward

961
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,480
because they've got all these policies

962
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,760
and procedures

963
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,279
and they're very slow to change these

964
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,799
policies and procedures so what you're

965
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,679
saying is under

966
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:30,960
during covid insurance companies changed

967
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,640
and said that yes doctor we will pay you

968
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,480
for a telehealth visit that we didn't

969
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,000
used to pay you for

970
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,559
right exactly and particularly

971
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,480
particularly under under medicare they

972
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,679
allowed telehealth

973
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,679
things like older people that don't have

974
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,720
cars can't

975
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,000
you know get out to get to a doctor or

976
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,159
have access in a rural community to the

977
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,440
very top you know

978
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,679
surgeons or cancer specialists which you

979
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:57,600
know telehealth allows that to happen i

980
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,240
mean the

981
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,240
the tech sector has really done a

982
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,000
terrific job in making

983
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,679
this available and it was just a

984
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:05,519
stumbling block until we had

985
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:08,720
a pandemic and so right i mean

986
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,750
it fits into my theory that you know our

987
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,200
problem here is not just

988
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,519
the government's intervention it's this

989
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:21,600
reliance on the insurance companies

990
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,039
that they sit between the patient

991
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,559
and the doctor when i go to see the

992
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,480
doctor it's not like walking into

993
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,320
mcdonald's i don't see a board up there

994
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,679
that tells me what a physical

995
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,440
is going to cost me what a blood test is

996
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,679
going to cost me i don't care

997
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,679
what it's going to cost me i i don't ask

998
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,200
i don't care because

999
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:42,080
the insurance company is going to pay it

1000
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:42,880
um

1001
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,760
and so when you've got someone in

1002
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,039
between

1003
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:49,519
the patient and then they're a middleman

1004
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,159
fraud

1005
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:53,039
is opened up pricing is is is out the

1006
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:54,159
window because nobody cares about

1007
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,120
pricing

1008
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,120
so this that's why obamacare is so

1009
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,039
terrible in my opinion that mandates

1010
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,000
that everyone

1011
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,159
who lives and breathes in america must

1012
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,320
buy insurance

1013
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,320
where insurance i think is half of the

1014
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,600
problem

1015
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,120
right no you're abs you're absolutely

1016
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,960
right and you know one of the

1017
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,840
executive orders that mr trump signed

1018
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,960
was the um

1019
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,880
bill on hospital price transparency

1020
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,880
because as milton friedman used to say

1021
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,320
if you have no idea

1022
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,760
what something costs you're going to

1023
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,000
demand a lot more of it and just like if

1024
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,840
you work for hershey the herchee company

1025
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,320
in hershey pennsylvania and you didn't

1026
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,600
have to pay for your groceries you're

1027
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,960
going to fill your cart

1028
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,480
you know with steak and things not

1029
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,000
hamburger and so

1030
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,919
you know that this whole thing this

1031
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,840
middleman thing has pushed up the cost

1032
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,799
of healthcare

1033
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:41,360
and people will use a lot more if they

1034
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,159
think it's it's

1035
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,640
free and so we need to um price

1036
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,240
transparency is very important and some

1037
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:47,120
of the hospitals

1038
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,480
you know we're not or supposedly i've

1039
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,200
been reading are not even um

1040
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,240
you know um following the law on on

1041
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:56,000
on posting crisis i mean actually you

1042
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,360
know and even if they did

1043
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,200
it would be a very beneficial step if

1044
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,880
they did because they don't

1045
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:03,760
at all but even if they did i still

1046
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,640
don't really care

1047
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,840
because my insurance company is paying

1048
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:07,919
for it so right

1049
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:11,120
so what i do it's what we call first

1050
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,240
dollar coverage

1051
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,480
you know you don't care because if your

1052
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,000
employer is paying for your

1053
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,919
insurance you just don't care as long as

1054
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,840
you get what you want when you want it

1055
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,360
right so so shouldn't insurance

1056
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,600
insurance was designed to protect people

1057
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,279
against catastrophic loss

1058
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,399
your house burns down right right so

1059
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,240
shouldn't health insurance be only

1060
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,440
catastrophic loss you get cancer

1061
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,519
you get a major car accident although

1062
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,799
that's auto insurance covering that

1063
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,760
typically

1064
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,720
but your routine medical your physical

1065
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,360
your blood tests your basic stuff

1066
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:45,039
insurance companies shouldn't be the

1067
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,399
ones

1068
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:48,960
covering that do you agree i absolutely

1069
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,519
agree

1070
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,440
i mean you know insurance should be

1071
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:53,360
there you know for catastrophes just

1072
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,080
like i don't

1073
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,919
you know use my car insurance to replace

1074
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,080
the oil or the tires on my car

1075
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,559
and so we shouldn't you know these like

1076
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,080
regular checkups and things

1077
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,840
um things people should be paying for

1078
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:05,600
those themselves and the insurance

1079
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,000
should be

1080
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,480
there for um for catastrophes there's

1081
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,760
some exciting things going on with

1082
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,040
direct primary care

1083
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,280
where people can negotiate you know a

1084
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,960
price an x number of

1085
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,720
um appointments with a primary care

1086
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,560
doctor and um

1087
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,720
and it's very it's very useful but it's

1088
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,480
hard to get people's

1089
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,720
mentality changed i mean well and by the

1090
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,599
way

1091
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,280
but they're also but they're also

1092
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,119
theoretically violating the law if they

1093
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,720
do that because

1094
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,399
right now obamacare mandates that you

1095
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,480
have insurance so i can't

1096
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,359
go try to negotiate something i mean my

1097
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,560
brother

1098
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,800
could be a doctor right and have his own

1099
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,079
doctor's office and say jim

1100
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:44,960
brother anything you need come to my

1101
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,440
office

1102
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:48,240
it's on me right but nonetheless i'm

1103
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,639
still

1104
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:51,040
mandated by the federal government to

1105
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,480
buy health insurance even though my

1106
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,520
brother's taking care of me for

1107
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,560
everything

1108
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,040
right so people under obamacare as you

1109
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,640
as you pointed out which i just said was

1110
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,000
11 years old

1111
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,920
i mean we only had like eight million

1112
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,839
people signed up for obamacare on the

1113
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,880
exchanges

1114
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,119
because the premiums were so high

1115
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,800
because of all the mandates that

1116
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,720
the insurance company had to provide a

1117
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,079
lot of insurance companies didn't even

1118
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,760
offer an exchange plan in

1119
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,839
in several states and the deductibles

1120
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,040
are so high

1121
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,520
that you know if if if you're paying as

1122
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:20,960
an individual 400

1123
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,560
a month for um an exchange plan and your

1124
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,320
deductible is five to six thousand

1125
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,640
dollars i mean if you're not

1126
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,760
most people don't have that kind of

1127
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:31,280
money sitting around so people didn't

1128
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,839
even

1129
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:35,200
sign on to um to the exchanges and biden

1130
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,560
said well the way to get more people is

1131
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,480
to open up the enrollment period and the

1132
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,240
special enrollment period that he signed

1133
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,599
from february 15th

1134
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:44,240
to august 15th but the real issue is

1135
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,960
people

1136
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,960
are not buying that coverage because

1137
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,400
it's too expensive so then what does the

1138
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,400
government do provide more subsidies

1139
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,240
and saying people cannot spend more than

1140
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,640
8.5 percent of their income

1141
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,640
on their premium and now that was under

1142
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:58,160
the american rescue plan

1143
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,520
now it looks like under the american

1144
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:01,040
family's plan of course that's going to

1145
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,079
become permanent

1146
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,320
so it's another stepping stone into

1147
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,520
government

1148
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,040
determining what kind of health care we

1149
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:09,119
get and how we get it and this i

1150
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,640
this type of insurance that you and i

1151
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,400
agree would be the proper type of

1152
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:14,720
insurance the catastrophic only

1153
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:17,920
it essentially doesn't exist because the

1154
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,560
government

1155
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,040
both state and federal mandates that if

1156
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,119
you're going to sell health insurance

1157
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:26,079
it better cover this and this and this

1158
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:27,119
and this and this and this and this and

1159
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,599
this and

1160
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,560
and longer as all the things it better

1161
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,440
cover

1162
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,920
to the point where you can't get

1163
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,280
catastrophic health insurance am i

1164
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,040
correct

1165
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,480
well i mean exactly the issue is i mean

1166
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,160
there should be like in all aspects of

1167
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,599
our life whether it's banking or our

1168
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,119
phone service or the type of

1169
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,359
computer we buy there's competition but

1170
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,119
it's so difficult and how can there be

1171
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:51,359
new entrants into the health care uh

1172
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,480
field when

1173
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,960
when it's too expensive to to enter the

1174
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,960
field so it's really a small number

1175
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,920
of whether it's anthem or blue shield or

1176
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,400
um

1177
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,800
cigna or you know just a few companies

1178
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,560
can you know they're huge they can they

1179
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,680
can manage this but it

1180
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,160
our the system destroys the incentive

1181
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,520
for new entrants

1182
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,599
uh into the field now under health

1183
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,200
savings accounts you can put

1184
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,240
x dollars away per year in your in your

1185
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,920
bank account carry it forward

1186
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:21,040
and you can um then you have to tie that

1187
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,599
to

1188
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,839
a catastrophic plan and they're about 22

1189
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:24,880
million americans

1190
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,440
who have health savings accounts but you

1191
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,040
know people are scared

1192
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,040
of change people are so entrenched in

1193
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,640
the idea that you have to have

1194
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,119
you know your your your blue your anthem

1195
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,480
blue cross coverage

1196
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,640
and it comes from your employer and you

1197
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,000
think well it's free of course you're

1198
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,839
earning less money because

1199
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,839
if your company is paying for for your

1200
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,280
coverage

1201
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,280
yeah well and the insurance companies

1202
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,200
have to make a profit so they're making

1203
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,920
lots of money and in that that's just

1204
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,640
sucking money

1205
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:55,040
that's totally inefficient dollars right

1206
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:56,079
if you're talking about taking care of

1207
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,800
people's health

1208
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,160
insurance companies making money that

1209
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,640
doesn't help anyone so

1210
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,839
why obama in biden thought that it was a

1211
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,720
great thing

1212
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,599
to hand over health care to insurance

1213
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:09,119
companies and make them even more

1214
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,760
powerful

1215
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,560
and to mandate simply by breathing air

1216
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,240
in the united states of america

1217
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,480
you are a criminal if you don't buy

1218
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,480
health insurance it's unbelievable

1219
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,920
supreme court didn't strike that down

1220
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,760
this is a different story but that

1221
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,280
that's the solution

1222
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,560
uh it just seems so crazy to me oh well

1223
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,599
exactly and

1224
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,880
and um you know i mean obama ran

1225
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:33,280
on he was going to bring in obamacare

1226
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,160
and he was going to

1227
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,560
cut the rate of the uninsured and he was

1228
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,839
going to reduce the cost of health

1229
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,599
coverage and the cost of health coverage

1230
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,920
you know has not you know not gone down

1231
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:43,680
and we don't have 100

1232
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,680
of people covered a lot of people just

1233
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,240
decided you know not to

1234
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,040
you know not to not to um to have

1235
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:52,480
coverage and and to pay

1236
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,710
the only sally aren't you agree the only

1237
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,640
thing that brings down prices

1238
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:03,280
is competition and innovation right

1239
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,160
exactly

1240
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,079
and they're destroying those two things

1241
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,800
and also you know we what you want

1242
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,880
you want to have a a relationship

1243
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,880
between want to empower consumers a

1244
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,720
relationship between the doctor

1245
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,119
and the patient not you know as you know

1246
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,320
when you go to the

1247
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,760
doctor's office you have set up your

1248
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,200
appointment the first thing they ask you

1249
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:22,560
if they don't ask you on the phone what

1250
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,880
is

1251
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,960
what insurance do you have and and can

1252
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,359
we take a photocopy of your part

1253
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,480
i mean so that's you know that's

1254
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:33,200
so here's a question for you why is the

1255
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,079
left

1256
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:37,680
so obsessed with health care and having

1257
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,960
the government controlling it um i think

1258
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,000
it's because people like

1259
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,760
bernie sanders and aoc and um

1260
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,599
kamala harris they want the government

1261
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,280
to be in charge of our lives they do not

1262
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,800
want the american people to be in charge

1263
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,240
of making decisions about their health

1264
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,000
care about their children's education

1265
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,040
and so this is a further way to um

1266
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,640
get control over over our lives and as

1267
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,640
even bernie sanders said it would cost

1268
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:03,920
30 to 40 trillion

1269
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,000
over 10 years to um get for the cost of

1270
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,640
of single-payer health care doctors

1271
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,680
would be paid 40

1272
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,200
what they're paid today because you have

1273
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:15,280
to cover the costs there would be ration

1274
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,680
care

1275
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,400
doctor shortages new taxes and when you

1276
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,319
poll people about medicare for all

1277
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,520
45 55 say they support it but when you

1278
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,359
say you're going to lose your employer

1279
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,640
sponsored coverage

1280
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,960
support goes down to 38 and when you're

1281
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:30,800
told you'd have to pay higher taxes

1282
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:34,160
26 but these people want the government

1283
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,640
to be

1284
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,440
in charge of of of your life and i think

1285
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,000
it

1286
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,520
that's not the american way i came to

1287
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:41,119
this country because i didn't i wanted

1288
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,160
to get away from

1289
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:44,000
the government controlling many aspects

1290
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,280
of my life including

1291
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,480
uh my healthcare yeah my theory

1292
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,560
as to why they want that because it is

1293
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:52,079
kind of hard to really when you really

1294
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,720
think about it

1295
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,880
why are they so obsessed by this but i i

1296
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:57,920
think it's just this anti-capitalism

1297
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,640
uh fervor that runs through that and for

1298
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:01,200
them

1299
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,960
the idea that someone could profit

1300
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,680
off of someone's bad health is so

1301
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,680
abhorrent to them

1302
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,160
that that's why they need the government

1303
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,839
to take it over because you've got all

1304
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,520
these bad people out there making a

1305
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:16,560
profit

1306
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,160
off of people's bad health which

1307
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,280
is true but also just happens to be

1308
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,440
the best way to find health care

1309
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,440
solutions is to allow

1310
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,920
entities to profit i.e the drug

1311
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,839
companies etc etc but

1312
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,599
that's my personal theory as to why

1313
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,720
they're obsessed with this what do you

1314
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,560
think about that

1315
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,160
well yeah i mean you're basically saying

1316
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:40,000
the same thing as i i'm saying i mean

1317
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:40,480
it's

1318
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,960
and we've seen a lot of corporations

1319
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,000
buying into the same

1320
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:48,560
progressive ideas that that sanders at

1321
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,119
al

1322
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,240
are are promoting and you know um so it

1323
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,000
will be very very expensive

1324
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,640
and and and what bernie sanders doesn't

1325
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,440
say is

1326
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,960
of course we'll have waiting lists well

1327
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,560
ration care older people won't have

1328
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:02,880
access to the best treatments and

1329
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,680
you know um cancer deaths will be up we

1330
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,960
you know it's going to be

1331
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,800
and people you know he says well you

1332
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,079
don't you know people

1333
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,680
we call our dermatologist and make a

1334
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:13,200
direct appointment you know in canada

1335
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:14,560
you have to go through a primary care

1336
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,280
doctor

1337
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,440
before you can see a specialist and so

1338
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,280
the average weight as i say is over five

1339
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,359
months from seeing primarily carried out

1340
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,599
to treatment by a specialist canadians

1341
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,119
have an escape valve over

1342
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,599
over 300 000 canadians come every year

1343
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,280
to the us and pay out of pocket for the

1344
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,200
fact if they want to get an mri and they

1345
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,480
think they have a brain tumor they don't

1346
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,359
want to be on

1347
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,599
the waiting list you know for three

1348
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,960
months when you think you have something

1349
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:38,400
seriously wrong this is why michael

1350
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,280
buble the

1351
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,760
the crooner when his three-year-old son

1352
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,839
was diagnosed with liver cancer he

1353
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,359
didn't stick around in vancouver he went

1354
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,800
to los angeles to the children's

1355
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,920
hospital of l.a

1356
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,520
and had the very finest treatment with

1357
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:51,200
the finest doctors yes he could afford

1358
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,520
it

1359
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,520
but the option was there and a lot of

1360
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,680
even middle class canadians come here

1361
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,000
to to pay out of pocket for something

1362
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,520
they think is important and it's about

1363
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,800
their health

1364
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,280
the single payer will be the same here

1365
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,560
as it is in england

1366
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,560
as it is in canada and other countries

1367
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,640
care will be rationed

1368
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,720
so so let's touch on that a little bit

1369
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,480
as far as what the truth is

1370
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,800
about socialized medicine in these other

1371
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,760
countries

1372
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,200
um is it is it your position that

1373
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,720
america even though our health care

1374
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,359
system is being slowly destroyed

1375
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,800
it still is better than most and

1376
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,440
would you say that the highest quality

1377
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,640
of

1378
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,680
medical care uh um is provided in the

1379
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:35,200
united states of america compared to any

1380
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,240
other country

1381
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,640
yes and i think people people with you

1382
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,000
know if the funds

1383
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,040
come here um and get you know

1384
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,359
and pay for their care for and for new

1385
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,640
treatments and things that

1386
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,160
if they're going to be on a waiting list

1387
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,640
i mean the head of the british medical

1388
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:51,680
association has said

1389
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,880
because of covid there are 4.5 million

1390
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,960
brits on waiting lists trying to get

1391
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,960
to get appointments and get surgeries

1392
00:44:01,030 --> 00:44:00,560
and and things they haven't been able to

1393
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,040
do it

1394
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,200
and it's going to have a negative impact

1395
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,200
on on life expectancy

1396
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,240
um so you know you look um at uh

1397
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,560
cancer survival rates five years out the

1398
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,480
united states has the highest five-year

1399
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:14,240
cancer survival rates are most common

1400
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,349
testicular cancer all of these kinds of

1401
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,599
things so you know and we the very best

1402
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:25,359
and brightest in this country go into

1403
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,920
medicine

1404
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,520
if the government takes it over

1405
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,760
completely and the fact that government

1406
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:31,359
will determine doctors have paid 40

1407
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,160
percent less

1408
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,599
the best and brightest kids are not

1409
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,880
going to go into medicine and we're

1410
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
going to dumb down the whole

1411
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,000
thing and it's not free the average

1412
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:40,079
canadian family pays fourteen thousand

1413
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:41,680
four hundred seventy four dollars a year

1414
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,560
in hidden taxes for a system where they

1415
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,640
the care is rationed they have to wait

1416
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,359
and um they can't they can't find

1417
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,800
doctors because there's a doctor

1418
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,520
shortage

1419
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,680
because the government can't afford to

1420
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,720
to train these

1421
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,800
these dogs at the government-run

1422
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:57,839
universities

1423
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,119
so we we've got the highest quality of

1424
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,040
medical care in the world because of

1425
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,800
the free market principles that we have

1426
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,319
that they do not have

1427
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,480
in other countries when it comes to

1428
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,040
medicine the very free market principles

1429
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:16,480
that biden obama sanders

1430
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,480
aoc want to get rid of exactly they

1431
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:23,040
as i said earlier they want to be in

1432
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,760
charge of

1433
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,280
how you get your healthcare what kind of

1434
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:27,040
healthcare you get and and the

1435
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,319
government is going to

1436
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,280
to pay for it and it's going to be a

1437
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:33,440
disaster for for us and i say well where

1438
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,640
where are we going to go

1439
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,400
if the government fully takes over our

1440
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,480
health care system my idea was to

1441
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,319
get some liberty chips and have them

1442
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,920
offshore so that because

1443
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,680
when government is in control they will

1444
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,680
not allow a private

1445
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,200
private coverage to run because they

1446
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:49,040
don't want in britain the national

1447
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:49,920
health service which

1448
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,280
came into being in 48 they allowed

1449
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,800
private health care to run parallel and

1450
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,880
about 20 percent of brits now

1451
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,960
have private coverage and the canadians

1452
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:00,319
when they went to britain and said what

1453
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,359
mistake did you make

1454
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,480
you don't want people to be able to

1455
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:04,800
compare and so bernie sanders wouldn't

1456
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,359
want

1457
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,920
um people to be able to compare their

1458
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,040
private coverage with

1459
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,040
government coverage so that wouldn't be

1460
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,640
totally outlawed and his plan would come

1461
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,240
in over four years

1462
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,680
let me ask you about that you know in

1463
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,440
these countries let's stick primarily

1464
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,440
with with european countries in canada

1465
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,119
that that have socialized medicine

1466
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:24,000
you know single-payer do most of them

1467
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,280
allow people to

1468
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,960
you know wealthy people to nonetheless

1469
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,960
get private coverage or do they not

1470
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,760
allow it

1471
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,440
yeah so there are only three countries

1472
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,119
in the world that have two single-payer

1473
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,240
healthcare canada

1474
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,599
north korea and cuba um three

1475
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,960
three countries that you probably don't

1476
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,480
want to go to for your healthcare these

1477
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,680
other countries have what we call

1478
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,599
universal coverage plan so

1479
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,680
a lot of them as i say the uk allows

1480
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,640
private coverage

1481
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,400
france germany people there's a

1482
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,400
government government plan but

1483
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:52,319
people with money pay extra because the

1484
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,440
waiting list on the

1485
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,560
on the government plans is so long now

1486
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,240
and government has to keep cutting back

1487
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,520
because the cost

1488
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,440
of it is going up and they don't have

1489
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,560
the taxpayer

1490
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,280
revenue to cover it so they have it's

1491
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,560
they have

1492
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,880
more of a choice than what we should so

1493
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,599
the

1494
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,480
so what you're saying is unless we go

1495
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:13,680
with the canada

1496
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,119
north korea cuba plan right

1497
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,880
where we outlaw essentially outlaw any

1498
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,160
other form of medicine which i guess

1499
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,280
can't imagine how you could

1500
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,599
constitutionally do that in america

1501
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,760
but unless you go that plan which you

1502
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,680
know very few i think would support that

1503
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,680
what you're really doing is implementing

1504
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,160
a very low level of coverage

1505
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,440
for 90 of the people and then the

1506
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,480
wealthy

1507
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,400
will have fantastic coverage because

1508
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:41,920
they'll pay for it

1509
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,280
so as far as you know what these guys

1510
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,520
want you know helping out the the the

1511
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,200
poor the middle class the truth is it's

1512
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,720
just gonna endure to the benefit of the

1513
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:52,000
wealthy they'll be the ones that are

1514
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,520
able to benefit from great care

1515
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,920
and everybody else won't right but in

1516
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,839
america if bernie sanders or camilla

1517
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,559
jayapal

1518
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,400
debbie dingle get their medicare for all

1519
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,160
plan through they will not allow any

1520
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:03,760
private coverage for anything considered

1521
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:04,880
medically necessary

1522
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,069
i get it that that's what they want but

1523
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,599
practically speaking i just can't

1524
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:12,880
imagine in america

1525
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,240
it ever passing that right no i

1526
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,280
i agree but you know the

1527
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,960
physicians for national health insurance

1528
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,559
all these people are really

1529
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,800
pushing pushing hard so yeah you're

1530
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,319
right it'd be there'd be two

1531
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,280
two classes i think we have as i say

1532
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,559
fifty percent of our health care's in

1533
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,079
the hands of government now

1534
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,559
i mean look under medicare um what the

1535
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:36,319
percentage of people on medicare

1536
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,920
who have to buy supplemental um coverage

1537
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,559
um you know or medicare advantage plan

1538
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,160
because they want to keep their doctors

1539
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,920
so many docs won't keep

1540
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,200
medicare patients that don't have

1541
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,280
supplemental or medicare advantage plans

1542
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,880
because the reimbursement rates are so

1543
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,200
low a lot of the people on medicaid the

1544
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,119
program for low-income americans

1545
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,559
a lot of them have a hard time finding a

1546
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,640
doctor also because the reimbursement

1547
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,280
rates

1548
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,720
are too low and so you know

1549
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,640
this these are things that government

1550
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,319
government sets the pricing

1551
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,359
um it's it's it's not good for our

1552
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,040
health

1553
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,640
let's kind of wrap up by talking about i

1554
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,200
think that you you've got a book out now

1555
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,960
that's called false premise false

1556
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,319
promise

1557
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,880
right the disastrous reality of medicare

1558
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:21,920
for all yes

1559
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,559
yeah and i you know i haven't read the

1560
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,760
books i don't know what the false

1561
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,760
premise is but but i'm going to guess

1562
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,200
the false premise and i'd like to talk

1563
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,559
about this or then you can

1564
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,880
add on to it is the idea that health

1565
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,319
care is a

1566
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,359
right and that's you hear that mantra

1567
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,480
all the time

1568
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:41,200
and number one it it isn't a right it's

1569
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:42,400
nowhere in the constitution the

1570
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,200
constitution

1571
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,680
is is where we get our right from and

1572
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,200
it's not in there

1573
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,680
and what i always like to say is well if

1574
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,960
you're going to say health care is a

1575
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:51,920
right because

1576
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,640
my gosh of course we should take care of

1577
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,920
people's health

1578
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,599
what's more important to your health

1579
00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,280
than what you eat

1580
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:02,800
without food and water you perish

1581
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,079
so if health care is a right food should

1582
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,760
absolutely be alright so how come they

1583
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,119
are not talking about

1584
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:12,000
a government takeover of food production

1585
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:12,640
and

1586
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,599
every single america have the government

1587
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,760
in charge of food why not

1588
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,079
well and also a right you know a right

1589
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,280
right to housing i mean

1590
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,280
these are the things i mean if they're

1591
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,720
you know bernie sanders and

1592
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,720
aoc all they talk about is health care

1593
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,880
is a right and

1594
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,800
they'll be talking next about the right

1595
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,400
to food and right to housing but

1596
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,480
right the food is more important than a

1597
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:38,640
right to health care health care is a

1598
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:38,960
good

1599
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,480
and it's necessarily scarce so if you

1600
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,640
declare a right to health care

1601
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,800
that is green lighting essentially

1602
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:50,800
unlimited demand for health care

1603
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,680
but it won't miraculously engender a

1604
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,720
complete

1605
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:57,680
an unlimited supply of health care um

1606
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,000
does

1607
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,680
would it mean that the government if the

1608
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,119
if health care becomes a right does that

1609
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,319
mean the government

1610
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,079
will say everyone has the right to

1611
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,880
top-notch care or just simply a right to

1612
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,559
equal care which is the case

1613
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,200
in in canada chief madam chief justice

1614
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,880
beverly mclaughlin said

1615
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,599
having a care card does not give you

1616
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,559
access to a doctor and a care

1617
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,160
does the government have the right to

1618
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,559
tell you that you can't get access to a

1619
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,680
treatment if you're

1620
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,440
obese or you're a smoker that's the way

1621
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,960
it is in the national health service a

1622
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,000
lot of procedures

1623
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,680
aren't available because the government

1624
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,760
determines that you're too fat

1625
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,520
or you're smoking and so you can't have

1626
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,280
these certain procedures so

1627
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,839
um and the government would um have the

1628
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,599
ability if health care is a right

1629
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,400
to ban us from paying privately for

1630
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,200
health care

1631
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,680
i mean to get better care i mean health

1632
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,280
care is not a right it's a

1633
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,520
good and a service or it's a good in

1634
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,800
service and

1635
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,640
it's unlimited and it's like any other

1636
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,640
thing that we need to

1637
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,839
um keep the market open so that people

1638
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,280
can access

1639
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,400
a lot of the best care by having options

1640
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,000
whether it's you know health savings

1641
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,280
accounts health reimbursement accounts

1642
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,800
short-term limited duration plans

1643
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,040
association plans we need more choice

1644
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,839
not less as as pj awards says if you

1645
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,520
think healthcare is expensive now

1646
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,440
just wait until it's free and it's a

1647
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,400
right yeah look i i think the reason

1648
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,559
i think the comparison to food is a

1649
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,000
perfectly good comparison

1650
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,000
that if if health care should be a right

1651
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,599
food should be a right

1652
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,760
and and but the reason they don't push

1653
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,040
for that is they know

1654
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:34,240
how absurd that sounds to have the

1655
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,880
government

1656
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,280
take over all food production i mean

1657
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,359
that would include restaurants and so on

1658
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,040
everything would be government-run

1659
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,520
and but because people go to the grocery

1660
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,640
store all the time

1661
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:46,720
and they go to restaurants all the time

1662
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,680
and they would think about

1663
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,000
hmm what if it was a government-run

1664
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,480
grocery store and a government-run

1665
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,720
restaurant no way would i want that but

1666
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,240
when it comes to health care

1667
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,839
it's kind of more of a black box that

1668
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:59,760
people don't really fully understand the

1669
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,000
inner

1670
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,800
workings of so the idea of government

1671
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,880
controlling health care for some reason

1672
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,480
is palpable to people i mean you i think

1673
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,920
you've quoted the numbers before as far

1674
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,400
as

1675
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,720
the percentage of people that support

1676
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,079
single payer it's just

1677
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:15,520
it's astounding how how high the support

1678
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,079
is

1679
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:18,319
for that in america when people would

1680
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,440
never support

1681
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,520
government taking over food yet they're

1682
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:23,359
okay supporting government taking over

1683
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,240
health care

1684
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,559
well because it's it's kind of amorphous

1685
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,680
out there and

1686
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,240
um it sounds it sounds it sounds good i

1687
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,680
mean you know everyone's going to get

1688
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,800
the very best care and

1689
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,880
you won't have to go through the um

1690
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:35,920
insurance

1691
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,440
um um you know the all of the issues

1692
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,839
with the copay isn't going to be covered

1693
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,480
whatever

1694
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:45,440
if you look in canada that the um the

1695
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,319
alcohol

1696
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,680
is controlled by the provincial

1697
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,359
government so if you live in

1698
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,440
in british columbia the liquor control

1699
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,200
board determines what

1700
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,720
liquors are going to be available what

1701
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,319
wines are available people

1702
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,839
you know they come to the us i go my

1703
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:59,359
gosh look at all these different types

1704
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,920
of wines

1705
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,599
you know it's just the same in food you

1706
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,040
wouldn't have access to

1707
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:06,000
a great millions of options of food that

1708
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,200
you can get because

1709
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,200
it's not a right and it's not run by by

1710
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,800
the government and so

1711
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,880
people we want to push we want to

1712
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,559
educate americans on

1713
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,040
why we need more choice and putting

1714
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,960
consumers and doctors in charge

1715
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,440
and and not the government people even

1716
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,839
doctors i mean a large percentage of

1717
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,640
doctors

1718
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,680
now support medicare for all and they

1719
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:29,119
don't understand what it'll mean for

1720
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,839
their pay

1721
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,760
for how they practice medicine but they

1722
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:33,280
think we won't have to deal with the

1723
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,240
insurance company

1724
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,000
and i think that's a lot of what it is

1725
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,200
yeah well and that's maybe the

1726
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,200
brilliance ultimately of obamacare

1727
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,280
is to force everybody to deal with these

1728
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,799
insurance companies that we shouldn't

1729
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,920
have to deal with

1730
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:46,079
but they mandated it so that ultimately

1731
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,280
people will throw up

1732
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,200
their arms and say oh government take it

1733
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,079
over because this is such a mess

1734
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,599
well the good news is the individual

1735
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:55,839
mandate came out in the jobs and tax

1736
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,400
bill of

1737
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,559
2017 this is going before the supreme

1738
00:55:02,549 --> 00:54:59,599
court right now

1739
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:02,559
you know is is obamacare going to stand

1740
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,040
or not

1741
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,880
probably it will but i think they will

1742
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:06,640
get rid of the the individual mandate

1743
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:07,200
will not

1744
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,480
but instead what will stand is you have

1745
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:14,480
to cover pre-existing conditions

1746
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,680
which is absurd maybe we'll wrap on that

1747
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,359
which which is this idea that

1748
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,160
i could have i could buy car insurance

1749
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,760
after the car accident

1750
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,520
right now imagine if you could buy car

1751
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,200
insurance after the car accident

1752
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,040
car insurance prices would would

1753
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,559
skyrocket because nobody would

1754
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,640
would buy it until you needed it so

1755
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,920
isn't that where we're going to be left

1756
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,680
with obamacare if there's no individual

1757
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,880
mandate

1758
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,680
why would i buy health insurance i would

1759
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,119
uh i would wait until i get cancer and

1760
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:42,720
then i would buy it

1761
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,950
under under obamacare i mean it was such

1762
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,480
a complicated

1763
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,559
issue and it's you know it didn't solve

1764
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:54,079
the problem of of the uninsured and

1765
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,640
didn't

1766
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,760
cost people need as i said people need

1767
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,160
options and the individual mandate you

1768
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:02,640
know was not successful i mean the the

1769
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:06,079
the fine you know the um 2.5 percent of

1770
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:06,720
income which

1771
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,839
or or what was it 600

1772
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,160
dollars whichever is greater i mean just

1773
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,400
did not did not work but people need

1774
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:17,040
people you know they buy house insurance

1775
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,480
they buy car insurance you want

1776
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,880
insurance for catastrophes not to cover

1777
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,720
as we talked about earlier your your

1778
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,160
blood test or your

1779
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,680
if you have a temperature well and

1780
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,240
frankly you i i'm curious your thoughts

1781
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:29,760
on this shouldn't insurance companies be

1782
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,000
able

1783
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,079
to take into consideration pre-existing

1784
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,160
conditions

1785
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,000
yes exactly but under under under

1786
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,920
obamacare you know you can't charge

1787
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:39,839
differential rates i mean

1788
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,960
the ratio i think is is three to one and

1789
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,520
it's

1790
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:46,160
not you know older people have more have

1791
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,559
more

1792
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,240
conditions and and it should the ratio

1793
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,319
should be five to one but of course

1794
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:53,200
it's um it's not under obamacare and and

1795
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,599
um

1796
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:56,319
it's as i say i mean we spent all that

1797
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,880
money

1798
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,280
to under obamacare to bring it in to

1799
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,960
cover eight million people in this

1800
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:02,319
country it would have been easier to

1801
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,640
give

1802
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,400
every one of those eight million people

1803
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,240
the very best private coverage

1804
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,839
it would have been cheaper and it would

1805
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:09,839
have been

1806
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,559
yeah all right sally thank you so much

1807
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:19,520
for all that um i don't know if there's

1808
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,319
a

1809
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,599
getting government out

1810
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,200
is uh the solution but i don't know it

1811
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,960
just seems like the ship is sailed

1812
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,400
i mean getting this thing turned around

1813
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:30,000
anytime the government gets involved in

1814
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,280
any type of

1815
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,400
uh you know uh benefits

1816
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,520
taking away the benefit is impossible

1817
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,960
well that's what milton friedman used to

1818
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,480
always say to me he was my mentor and

1819
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,319
wrote the forward to my very first book

1820
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,319
and he said how many government programs

1821
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,920
that are in have ever been you know

1822
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,839
eliminated the mohair subsidy i think

1823
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,480
was one

1824
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,960
very few it's very hard to take

1825
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,000
something away

1826
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,520
even if it's not working for people i

1827
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,040
think oh my gosh well we

1828
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:57,599
i can't i can't do without that so if we

1829
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,319
get it

1830
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,400
it'll be a catastrophe and it'll be very

1831
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,319
hard to get rid of as it is in canada

1832
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,920
and in the uk

1833
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,839
thank you again to sally pipes you can

1834
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,599
see a lot of her

1835
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,920
writings on healthcare at the pacific

1836
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,040
research institute

1837
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:13,200
website that's the pacific research

1838
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,160
institute

1839
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,920
website thank you to our producer

1840
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,280
michael parker thank you all for

1841
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,880
listening we'll be back with another

1842
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1843
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,870
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1844
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1845
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,160
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1846
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1847
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